People that play as a team with their friends and get high on the ladder are one thing.  A guy that can get placed with a random group of people and consistently win is far more skilled.  Some people will play the single player random team ladder for the challenge, and they will succeed in spite of their team mates.

Custom games do not offer this option because if you join solo you pretty much have to assume that at least a couple of the players in the game are on Vent or what not.  Further, custom games will not be ranked soon, as Frogboy has said, because they are too easy to exploit.

If you want to play as a team with your friends, what is so bad about having a separate ladder for that purpose?  I do that sometimes, and I would have no problem getting put on the "team ladder" when I do it.  Unless the only way you feel you can win is if you have the overwhelming advantage of playing with your buds, talking over vent, while the other team is made of up three guys who have never spoken to one another and some of whom probably don't even read.

Good points so far for sure. I dont think much of anyone is against have team premade groups...they just want them to be matched against the same thing. Not against randoms. 

Would be interesting to perhaps hear another comment from Brad on it in one of his upcoming updates. Obviously they must have some plans or else they wouldnt have the "Clans" section on the Pantheon leaderboards page.

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lolz Eternal i was jus laughing that you said by intergrating a organized system.. they would lose a huge playerbse.. it was funny.. made no sense.. is all you apparetnly changed ur tune  a little so = D.. and the guys who's been saying there should b 2 systems.. it wouldn't be a problem.. sure they could do it.. ..TEKKOR.. you aren't even playing yet bcuz there waiting for epoch 1.. after stat reset.. HEY TEKKOR>..THEY CANT EVEN REALEASE A MULTIPLAYER GAME with working clan features.. OR a working MP system.. none the less.. everyupdate and sucessfully scrwed up the already broken system more.. so do i think that they can institute not 1 ... BUT 2 seprate.. team based and random pantehton ladders.. for players to play on... MY ANSWER IS NO~! but i think right now they have 2 modes where you can play random instant action.. stats dont work for the 1 they have now... so i think they need to look into making it a little more friendly to the competitive players out there who want to start clans/play tournaments/ whatever.. especialyl since euro just started some big league for it.. right now its all random.. they need team.. period.. screw the rest of the crap and the team to until they fix the friggin mutliplayer!

Im going to be honest with you...I have trouble even reading your post and understanding anything your saying.

You dont ever hit the "Enter" key so its just one big blob of text with no punctuation, misspelled words etc. You said something to me there about Im not even playing because Im waiting or something. Not even sure what the hell your talking about.

I have 3 Impulse accounts and 3 copies of the game on 3 computers. So you know everything Im doing eh? Ive been playing alot of network games with my son and cousin actually but have played online games as well. I havent been playing on my Tekkor name until the fixes are made but I have been playing on one of my other accounts (they will most likely wipe stats Im thinking anyway).

You said something to me about clan features or someone releasing a game. Dude....I have no idea what your even trying to say. Take some time and read what your typing. Hit the enter key to make a paragraph. Im not trying to be the grammer police but all your posts Ive seen are the same. 

I'll always argue for teams, but teams should be playing against other teams. have a pantheon pool as it were and both random playing and team playing adds to it. Being a team game, teams just seem proper, no one that I play with touches pantheon when there are others of us on simply because we like playing as a team. So I'm all for teams, done properly.

I don't think you are getting your point across because you are mischaracterizing the debate that is going on in this thread. As for your wording "go online and play with other people by yourself", I really have to ask how serious you are. By definition, if someone is going online to play with other people, they are not playing by themselves.

If you want someone to take your point, you have to be honest as to what the debate is about and you have to make sense. Sorry, but that's just how it works.

Outside of that, it's hard to take your assertions that an RT ladder has no value when in fact Warcraft 3 has a very robust random teams ladder. Your argument fails when held up to the light of what is actually put into practice by the top multiplayer game company (Blizzard Entertainment) in the world.

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My idea is to make both at first, then if one has too few ppl playing just dump it. If there's enough players for both keep both. But yeah i agree on the point that sometimes even if you got a team, you may wwant to play alone as well, and you should be able to do that. Since ppl here are working already and we may not be able to form a team every night so we basically need a quick match once in a while, that's what Pantheon is for at the moment.

The best way to do the matchmaking is to have 2 queue list.

One for the solo

One for the arranged team.

But when you enter as a solo you can specify if you want to be added as well in the Arranged team pool.

Cause let's face it : There's a lot more player that plays alone than ppl playing as a team. If arranged team ladder will fail it's probably because of the lack of people joining as a team. So if when a solo wants a pantheon game he can accept/refuse to be in the arranged team pool aswell it's the best of the 2 world in my opinion.

i don' get what your problem with seperated pantheons is, the random matchup and the team based one? teams could play on team ladder, people who don't have a team (maybe cause they don't play that hardcore, or no team want's them, or some other reason) can play random ladder.

you want to get free kills against random players with your pro-team? what's competitive about that? if you dont want the free noob kills, then your reasoning seems a little bit off!

Teams in Pantheon huh... Could be good for clan rivalry whisch is what they're trying to foster here.... but it'll just result in the elietist communty on par with DOTA players... When is the las time you've seen anyone be helpful to a noob in dota in any other way than telling them how to quit the game?

I don't believe that the separate ladder for teams would work in reality and here is why...

In WC3 or COH, sure you have something called AT and something called PUG or PUB, and there are separate ladders (stats) for both. However, in COH and WC3, AT manly refers to 2v2 games. So, unless anyone is suggesting there should be a separate 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, 5v5 ladders and queues - it is safe to assume that only 5v5 games are considered "team and competitive games" in DG (the same is with DOTA no?).

The point is there is not enough people to have a system where there would constantly be 5v5 games between teams of comparable skill (ladder) . Hell, the most populated place to play DOTA when I was playing it was DOTA league, and it is organised as a PUG, but with a scoring system (somthing like pantheon is now but needs more people skill data and maybe even better skill measuring algorithm...)

For arranged teams, there are custom games (some CW channel would be great) and, may I suggest, a periodic online tournament with prizes and, of course, front page coverage etc etc. Periodic tournaments would make winning it much more important then some ladder season, and would involve the rest of the community (PUBs) much more (esp. if the replay system starts working).

Bottom line, if you want a good competitive 5v5 scene, you need to have a good and populated PUB scene. Also, you need competitions that really matter, not just some "point gathering" system that would come down to what team can play more games during the season.

This thread gave me a good laugh.

AT vrs PUGS that some want is NOT i repeat is NOT skill, its AT vrs pugs most of the time, making your seem good when you suck.

Random teams make for true skill, being able to win and win most of your games with randoms mean you are somewhat luck, as well as greatly skilled as you can win with even bad players.

Now that sad i suport AT vrs AT patheon  for now if you want AT games play custom they allow that there and you can make sure you only play good players.

But AT in patheon should be AT v AT only with pugs vrs pugs.

BTW this is the video OP mention i guess http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/45501/PC/Demigod/Trailer/Brad-Wardells-Day-7-Status-Update