Pantheon should be random... Custom games or skirmishes, teams are fine.

Just my opinion...

Ever play a game where you join as random and get paired against a team on vent or what not... Fun stuff... Not really.

If they added it so only randoms vs randoms, and teams vs teams, then I could prolly live with it...

But if not... And I find myself constantly going up against these premade teams all on some sort of voice service, against me and some random people, that probably will spell the end of the game for me.

you need to be able to join pantheon as a team. 

Like I said in another thread. Premades should only play with premades, or nobody plays as a premade. Anything else skews the ladder because a premade vs randoms is always a skewed team. Even if the randoms are good players, the premade team has their Demigods and strategies picked out to complement each other, and randoms are, well, random.

Must've missed that video (and can't find it on the site). Do you happen to have a link for those that missed it?

Thanks

Any more detail to your reasoning? I mean if they do some special tournament for teams to enter thats fine. But we are talking about the regualr Pantheon here.

I dont think it will promote people playing to get hammered on the Pantheon by arranged teams. The Pantheon should stay as it sorta is now...it randomly teams people based on skill or whatever to try and make a fairly even and fun match (well thats the idea anyway). Leave the teams to skirmish matches, custom games and for any special tournaments Stardock does etc.

No he took it down it was on that update from yesterday as he said he wanted to edit it shorter. I was able to watch it before he did and he made a comment with one of the other devs of "Yeah we can make it so people can get a team of thier buddies together and launch into a Pantheon game together or as a clan etc"

that would work great

Agreed.  What would be the problem with this?  I know for me that I am going to have friends that I want to play the game with.  Why not give the option to play competitively?

Joining Pantheon as teams is fine, as long as you CANNOT BE TEAMED AGAINST RANDOMS.

Please.

If they are seperated that is great. Just look how Warcraft 3 has it set up, works good - different tracking for random/organized.

I agree with this for the most part.

Yes many of us don't enjoy playing games by ourselves.  I doubt I would play this game at all if I weren't playing with buddies...so playing together in something like Pantheon sounds fun.  If they make two pantheons, one for teams and one for singles that would be great.  But personally I think a team-oriented one is more important, for the longevity of the game.

Also random teams isn't 'fair and balanced' ...sure everyone has a fair chance to get the good team, but that doesn't make the teams themselves balanced.

Agreed...but I think the greater concern some of us have is that the Pantheon will turn into this thing where you have a half dozen teams just ruling the matches stomping everyone using comms and perfect balance teams etc. So basically anyone not playing with a group of 3-4 other people might as well not even play in any of those matches.

Plus imagine the new players coming in...

"Ahh Pantheon...persistent tournament thing...that sounds cool lets try that out..."

"Wow those guys must be on comms they converge on everything perfect and have heals, tank etc perfect setup."

"Man why is that one guy on my team just standing in the base."

"Man this sucks...6 games in a row against these premade teams...this sucks."

Just looking at it from both sides. Teams will still be fine for Skirmish...or as everyone has said make it a deal where the Pantheon recognizes your team size and puts you a in a hold waiting for another arrganged team of the same size. That would be the best thing. Only issue of course with that is you had better be patient as if you have a team of 4 or 5 people you have to wait until another one joins.

If anyone needs a reminder of why teams vs randoms is a Bad Bad Idea, look no further than Battlegrounds in WoW, especially the always-hated Warsong Gulch, with Arathi close behind. It became common practice when going up against a premade to just roll over and let them win so you get it over with quickly since you'd have no chance anyway.

Or Dawn of War 2 RANKED games.